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June 12, 2005

Queer Action Coalition pickets Refuge

The Republic of T has been chronicling the latest developments in the story of Zach, the gay teen blogger who who leaked the rules of Camp Refuge.

As you may have heard, Refuge is a custodial reeducation facility for the running dog lackeys of homosexual deviationism.

The RoT reports that counterrevolutionary elements (aka the Queer Action Coalition) are picketing Refuge and blogging about it.

In lieux of a conclusion, I'll leave you with a quote from the head of Love In Action Ministries, and the Supreme Commandant of Refuge, the Reverend John Smid:

“I would rather you commit suicide than have you leave Love In Action wanting to return to the gay lifestyle. In a physical death you could still have a spiritual resurrection; whereas, returning to homosexuality you are yielding yourself to a spiritual death from which there is no recovery.”

Comments

wow, Schmid shows an exceptional lack of understanding of Fundamentalist/Evangelical theology if he thinks someone who committed suicide has a better chance of spiritual resurrection than someone who is gay.

"wow, Schmid shows an exceptional lack of understanding of Fundamentalist/Evangelical theology if he thinks someone who committed suicide has a better chance of spiritual resurrection than someone who is gay."

The Fundies love contradicting themselves and their own holy text, so they can find a way to justify their bigotry and horrible treatment of vulnerable individuals, such as LGBT teens.

What a horiffic comment.. just shows how 'christian' these people really are..

I read somewhere that the early Christians cracked down on suicide and homosexuality at roughly the same time--i.e. when they realized that world probably wasn't going to end any day and that their business model depended on a steady stream of tithing customers. At some point, folks who wanted to barge in line for the afterlife or avoid procreation ceased to be welcome.

Anybody know if this factoid true?

It strikes me that if he does, in fact, want to return to the "gay lifestyle" (sheesh), then he has clearly not left his sin behind, and if he did die, he would do so outside salvation and would end up in hell.

A major point of the Sermon on the Mount, and one frequently ignored by the fundie nutjob brigade, is that there isn't really any difference between sinning and wanting to sin.

But what do I know, I'm just a recovering Southern Baptist. (It's like being an alcoholic--you're never really over it.)

Suicide is not as bad as homosexual activity because sex is pleasurable. Sin is bad, but fun sin is reeeeeeeally bad.

You almost have it exactly right Andrew! The real test is "is it sex". Sex is what is really, really bad, at all times, but most especially if no baby is produced as a result. But, God sometimes forgets to punish such unproductive sex, so he has delegated that task to the fundies. And, since homosexual activities never, ever result in a baby, they are the baddest of the bad, deserving of the most severe of punishment - even worse than that given to unmarried women. Oh, and of course, unmarried men are excepted from this rule, unless they engage in homosexual activities, whenceforth they go to the head of the line, so to speak.

There may not be a difference between sinning and wanting to sin, but there's a huge difference, morally, between punching someone in the mouth and wanting to punch someone in the mouth but restraining yourself from doing so. And Jesus did seem to think there was value in self-restraint.

I suppose if all things are equal, in this case sins which are unredeemable, then it's better to be dead than gay, at least for the other people around who don't have to put up with your ickyness anymore. He could have just said "the best fag is a dead fag" if he was really honest.

There may not be a difference between sinning and wanting to sin, but there's a huge difference, morally, between punching someone in the mouth and wanting to punch someone in the mouth but restraining yourself from doing so.

I always though that the Nazarene's point was that it is not enough to control your actions, but you must cultivate good thoughts as well. Really, he was saying something quite similar to Aristotle claim that the virtuous person is pained by vicious behavior and takes pleasure in virtuous acts.

If you are holding yourself back from punching someone in the face, you have not obtained the right balance between anger and impassivity. This actually makes perfect sense to me. I'm with the Christ on this one. The only problem with his view is his annoying tendency to think of virtue as an all or nothing proposition. Either you hit the bull's eye or you miss the target.

Of course, none of this is an issue when it comes to hot gay action, because hot gay action is virtuous, not vicious.

Has anybody thought of offering this young man some legal help? Like going to court and getting him emancipated from his wacko parents? Wish I knew a little more about family law in Tennessee. I'd gladly contribute to a fund for this young man to see a lawyer about what his rights are. Obviously, he would be at risk for being exploited were he to run away, but hell, I'll contribute to a leaving home fund, if it were to come to that.

You know, I really don't even no where to begin. I don't believe that any good Christian (and by good Christian I mean someone who not only admires the values taught by Jesus but also aspires to follow them) can purposefully come across as bigoted and ungodly as you seem in some of your posts. Christianity is founded upon love and respect, and this post in particular demonstrates nothing but a lack of those virtues. Being a person demands hard work, and from what I can gather about you from this post, you have chosen not to work on exactly that--personhood. I am sad that a post like this even exists.
-Benjamin Hudson

Benjamain, I assume you're talking to me. Are you concerned that I'm being insufficiently loving towards the child abusing bigots who operate Refuge? If so, rest assured, it's the sins of bigotry and child abuse that I hate, not the sinners.

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