Now that the Democrats control the entire legislative branch, it's time for some serious investigations.
Here's a good place to start: Did Halliburton expose thousands of Marines to potentially life-threatening pathogens through untreated water?
Ben Carter, a water purification specialist and former Halliburton employee at Camp Ar Ramadi, says so:
In the video, Carter says that a fellow Halliburton employee saw something wriggling in his toilet bowl. Carter came over to investigate and observed a squirming larva in the guy's commode. He realized that this couldn't be happening in chlorinated water. So, he tested the water and found no chlorine. Next, he tested the local water storage tanks and found no chlorine in any of them.
He kept testing and found that 63 of 67 Halliburton-run water treatment plants were providing unsafe water.
According to Carter, the Halliburton workers and US soldiers in his locale were showering in extremely contaminated. In his estimation, Halliburton was putting people at risk for malaria, typhus [Ed, Carter says "typhus" but he probably means typhoid], giarida, cryptosporidium, and other diseases. (Malaria isn't spread by tainted water, however.)
He worries that US troops are coming home with potentially life-threating infections, communicable diseases that could infect their families, and they don't even know to get tested.
Wouldn't you like to find out if he's right?
You can read Carter's official statement to Senate Democrats. It's time to take this allegation to the next level.


If anyone intentionally served bad food to the troops, I'd personally like to frog march those responsible to a small prison cell, and afterwards would like to throw the key into the Marianas Trench.
Yes, if this is alleged, I would like an investigation....
Posted by: The Phantom | November 09, 2006 at 07:11 PM
Are you ready to start the frog marches, Phantom? That is, unless you can think of a plausible reason for Halliburton "accidentally" providing unsafe water at 63 of 67 water plants that they operated.
Posted by: John Lucid | November 09, 2006 at 09:01 PM
I think that 'typhus' should be 'typhoid' or 'typhoid fever'--typhus is spread by lice, while typhoid is spread via the fecal-oral route. Also, how would the risk of malaria be increased? More breeding grounds for mosquitoes? (I haven't watched the video yet).
Posted by: Andy | November 09, 2006 at 10:17 PM
I thought I heard Carter say "typhus" on the video, but I could be mistaken. I'll check. Thanks.
Posted by: Lindsay Beyerstein | November 09, 2006 at 10:21 PM
See also this post on Effect Measure back in January.
Posted by: revere | November 09, 2006 at 10:47 PM
Speaking of investigations, it is long overdue that we have a REAL, independent investigation into 9/11.
One thing that struck me as odd in the days after 9/11 was Bush saying "We will not tolerate conspiracy theories [regarding 9/11]". Sure enough there have been some wacky conspiracy theories surrounding the events of that day. The most far-fetched and patently ridiculous one that I've ever heard goes like this: Nineteen hijackers who claimed to be devout Muslims but yet were so un-Muslim as to be getting drunk all the time, doing cocaine and frequenting strip clubs decided to hijack four airliners and fly them into buildings in the northeastern U.S., the area of the country that is the most thick with fighter bases. After leaving a Koran on a barstool at a strip bar after getting shitfaced drunk on the night before, then writing a suicide note/inspirational letter that sounded like it was written by someone with next to no knowledge of Islam, they went to bed and got up the next morning hung over and carried out their devious plan. Nevermind the fact that of the four "pilots" among them there was not a one that could handle a Cessna or a Piper Cub let alone fly a jumbo jet, and the one assigned the most difficult task of all, Hani Hanjour, was so laughably incompetent that he was the worst fake "pilot" of the bunch. Nevermind the fact that they received very rudimentary flight training at Pensacola Naval Air Station, making them more likely to have been C.I.A. assets than Islamic fundamentalist terrorists. So on to the airports. These "hijackers" somehow managed to board all four airliners with their tickets, yet not even ONE got his name on any of the flight manifests. So they hijack all four airliners and at this time passengers on United 93 start making a bunch of cell phone calls from 35,000 feet in the air to tell people what was going on. Nevermind the fact that cell phones wouldn't work very well above 4,000 feet, and wouldn't work at ALL above 8,000 feet. But the conspiracy theorists won't let that fact get in the way of a good fantasy. That is one of the little things you "aren't supposed to think about". Nevermind that one of the callers called his mom and said his first and last name, more like he was reading from a list than calling his own mom. Anyway, when these airliners each deviated from their flight plan and didn't respond to ground control, NORAD would any other time have followed standard operating procedure (and did NOT have to be told by F.A.A. that there were hijackings because they were watching the same events unfold on their own radar) which means fighter jets would be scrambled from the nearest base where they were available on standby within a few minutes, just like every other time when airliners stray off course. But of course on 9/11 this didn't happen, not even close. Somehow these "hijackers" must have used magical powers to cause NORAD to stand down, as ridiculous as this sounds because total inaction from the most high-tech and professional Air Force in the world would be necessary to carry out their tasks. So on the most important day in its history the Air Force was totally worthless. Then they had to make one of the airliners look like a smaller plane, because unknown to them the Naudet brothers had a videocamera to capture the only known footage of the North Tower crash, and this footage shows something that is not at all like a jumbo jet, but didn't have to bother with the South Tower jet disguising itself because that was the one we were "supposed to see". Anyway, as for the Pentagon they had to have Hani Hanjour fly his airliner like it was a fighter plane, making a high G-force corkscrew turn that no real airliner can do, in making its descent to strike the Pentagon. But these "hijackers" wanted to make sure Rumsfeld survived so they went out of their way to hit the farthest point in the building from where Rumsfeld and the top brass are located. And this worked out rather well for the military personnel in the Pentagon, since the side that was hit was the part that was under renovation at the time with few military personnel present compared to construction workers. Still more fortuitous for the Pentagon, the side that was hit had just before 9/11 been structurally reinforced to prevent a large fire there from spreading elsewhere in the building. Awful nice of them to pick that part to hit, huh? Then the airliner vaporized itself into nothing but tiny unidentifiable pieces no bigger than a fist, unlike the crash of a real airliner when you will be able to see at least some identifiable parts, like crumpled wings, broken tail section etc. Why, Hani Hanjour the terrible pilot flew that airliner so good that even though he hit the Pentagon on the ground floor the engines didn't even drag the ground!! Imagine that!! Though the airliner vaporized itself on impact it only made a tiny 16 foot hole in the building. Amazing. Meanwhile, though the planes hitting the Twin Towers caused fires small enough for the firefighters to be heard on their radios saying "We just need 2 hoses and we can knock this fire down" attesting to the small size of it, somehow they must have used magical powers from beyond the grave to make this morph into a raging inferno capable of making the steel on all forty-seven main support columns (not to mention the over 100 smaller support columns) soften and buckle, then all fail at once. Hmmm. Then still more magic was used to make the building totally defy physics as well as common sense in having the uppermost floors pass through the remainder of the building as quickly, meaning as effortlessly, as falling through air, a feat that without magic could only be done with explosives. Then exactly 30 minutes later the North Tower collapses in precisely the same freefall physics-defying manner. Incredible. Not to mention the fact that both collapsed at a uniform rate too, not slowing down, which also defies physics because as the uppermost floors crash into and through each successive floor beneath them they would shed more and more energy each time, thus slowing itself down. Common sense tells you this is not possible without either the hijackers' magical powers or explosives. To emphasize their telekinetic prowess, later in the day they made a third building, WTC # 7, collapse also at freefall rate though no plane or any major debris hit it. Amazing guys these magical hijackers. But we know it had to be "Muslim hijackers" the conspiracy theorist will tell you because (now don't laugh) one of their passports was "found" a couple days later near Ground Zero, miraculously "surviving" the fire that we were told incinerated planes, passengers and black boxes, and also "survived" the collapse of the building it was in. When common sense tells you if that were true then they should start making buildings and airliners out of heavy paper and plastic so as to be "indestructable" like that magic passport. The hijackers even used their magical powers to bring at least seven of their number back to life, to appear at american embassies outraged at being blamed for 9/11!! BBC reported on that and it is still online. Nevertheless, they also used magical powers to make the american government look like it was covering something up in the aftermath of this, what with the hasty removal of the steel debris and having it driven to ports in trucks with GPS locators on them, to be shipped overseas to China and India to be melted down. When common sense again tells you that this is paradoxical in that if the steel was so unimportant that they didn't bother saving some for analysis but so important as to require GPS locators on the trucks with one driver losing his job because he stopped to get lunch. Hmmmm. Further making themselves look guilty, the Bush administration steadfastly refused for over a year to allow a commission to investigate 9/11 to even be formed, only agreeing to it on the conditions that they get to dictate its scope, meaning it was based on the false pretense of the "official story" being true with no other alternatives allowed to be considered, handpicked all its members making sure the ones picked had vested interests in the truth remaining buried, and with Bush and Cheney only "testifying" together, only for an hour, behind closed doors, with their attorneys present and with their "testimonies" not being recorded by tape or even written down in notes. Yes, this whole story smacks of the utmost idiocy and fantastic far-fetched lying, but it is amazingly enough what some people believe. Even now, five years later, the provably false fairy tale of the "nineteen hijackers" is heard repeated again and again, and is accepted without question by so many Americans. Which is itself a testament to the innate psychological cowardice of the American sheeple, i mean people, and their abject willingness to believe something, ANYTHING, no matter how ridiculous in order to avoid facing a scary uncomfortable truth. Time to wake up America.
Debunking Popular Mechanics lies:
http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewstory.php?storyid=6880
someone else debunking Popular Mechanics crap:
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/pop_mech/reply_to_popular_mechanics.htm
still more debunking Poopular Mechanics:
http://letsroll911.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=5505
and still more debunking of Popular Mechanics:
http://www.reopen911.org/ericreubt.htm
Poopular Mechanics staff replaced just before laughable “debunking” article written:
http://www.reopen911.org/hiddenhand.htm
another neo-con 9/11 hit piece explodes, is retracted:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/180806hitpiece.htm
Professor Steven Jones debunks the N.I.S.T. “report” as well as the F.E.M.A. one and the 9/11 commission "report":
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/wtc_buildings_collapse_steven_jones.htm
N.I.S.T. scientist interviewed:
http://www.teamliberty.net/id235.html
F.B.I. says no hard evidence linking Osama bin Laden to 9/11 which is why his wanted poster says nothing about 9/11:
http://forum.afghansite.com/index.php?showtopic=9349
Fire Engineering magazine says important questions about the Twin Tower “collapses” still need to be addressed:http://fe.pennnet.com/Articles/Article_Display.cfm?Section=OnlineArticles&SubSection=Display&PUBLICATION_ID=25&ARTICLE_ID
Twin Towers’ construction certifiers say they should have easily withstood it:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2004/121104easilywithstood.htm
USA Today interview with the last man out of the South Tower, pursued by a fireball:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2001/12/19/usat-escape.htm
Janitor who heard explosions and escaped has testimony ignored by 9/11 whitewash commission:
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/ignoring_9-11.html
Janitor starts speaking out about it and his apartment is burglarized, laptop stolen:
http://kurtnimmo.blogspot.com/2005/08/apartment-of-nine-eleven-hero-william_28.html
Firefighters tell of multiple explosions:
http://www.wnbc.com/news/1315651/detail.html
Eyewitnesses tell of explosions:
http://research.amnh.org/users/tyson/essays/TheHorrorTheHorror.html
Interview with another firefighter telling of explosions:
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/Banaciski_Richard.txt
Firefighter saw “sparkles” (strobe lights on detonators?) before “collapse”:
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/Fitzpatrick_Tom.txt
Other eyewitnesses talk of seeing/hearing explosions:
http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2005/11/more-proof-911-inside-job-witnesses-to.html
Surviving eyewitnesses talk of multiple explosions there:
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/veliz-bombs.htm
Cutter charge explosions clearly visible:
http://www.rense.com/general63/cutt.htm
The pyroclastic wave (that dust cloud that a second before was concrete) and how it wouldn’t be possible without explosives:
http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/physics/
Detailed description of the demolition of the Twin Towers:
http://gordonssite.tripod.com/id2.html
Freefall rate of “collapses” math:
http://www.911blimp.net/prf_FreeFallPhysics.shtml
More about their freefall rate “collapses”:
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/second_wave.htm
Video footage of the controlled demolition of the Twin Towers:
http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video%20archive/
Video footage of the controlled demolition of WTC # 7 building:
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
More
http://www.wtc7.net/
Photos of the Pentagon’s lawn (look at these and see if you can tell me with a straight face that a jumbo jet crashed there):
http://www.911blimp.net/cached/HuntTheBoeing!.htm
More photos of this amazing lawn at the Pentagon:
http://cryptogon.com/docs/Introducing%20the%20amazing%20Penta-Lawn%202000!%20(9-11).htm
Very unconvincing fake “Osama” “confession” tape:
http://welfarestate.com/wtc/faketape/
More about the fake “Osama” tape:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape2.html
Fake “Mohammed Atta” “suicide” letter:
http://www.welfarestate.com/wtc/fake-letters.txt
Commercial pilots disagree with “official” 9/11 myth:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/september_11_us_government_accused.htm
More commercial jet pilots say “official” myth is impossible:
http://www.masternewmedia.org/2001/10/31/commercial_jet_pilots_analysis_of_the_twin_tower_attack.htm
Impossibility of cell phone calls from United 93:
http://www.physics911.net/cellphoneflight93.htm
More about the impossible cell phone calls:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO408B.html
Experiment proves cell phone calls were NOT possible from anywhere near the altitude the “official” myth has them at:
http://physics911.ca/org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=9
Fake Barbara Olson phone call:
http://www.vialls.com/lies911/lies.htm
Where the hell was the Air Force?
http://www.welfarestate.com/wtc/af-scramble.txt
More about the Air Force impotence question:
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0331-11.htm
Sept. 10th 2001, Pentagon announces it is “missing” $2.3 trillion (now why do you think they picked THAT day to announce it? So it could be buried the next day by 9/11 news):
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/eveningnews/main325985.shtml
Unocal pipeline-through-Afghanistan plan:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0513/p05s01-wosc.html
Unocal pipeline-through-Afghanistan plan mentioned:
http://thetyee.ca/Views/2006/05/19/OutOfAfghanistan
More on Unocal Afghan pipeline:
http://www.newscentralasia.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1031
The attack on Afghanistan was planned in the summer of 2001, months before 9/11:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1550366.stm
Pentagon deliberately misled 9/11 Commission:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=EGG20060802&articleId=2887
9/11 whitewash Commission and NORAD day:
http://fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/071204_final_fraud.shtml
The incredible fish tales of the 9/11 Commission examined:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=%20GR20051213&articleId=1478
Jeb Bush declares state of emergency 4 days before 9/11 for Florida, saying it will help respond to terrorism:
http://www.eionews.addr.com/psyops/news/jebknew.htm
Steel debris removal from Ground Zero, destruction of evidence:
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/groundzero/cleanup.html
Over two hundred incriminating bits of 9/11 evidence shown in the mainstream media:
http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/911smokingguns.html
Tracking the “hijackers”:
http://www.welfarestate.com/911/
“Hijacker” patsies:
http://911review.org/Wiki/HijackersPatsies.shtml
“Hijackers” receiving flight training at Pensacola Naval Air Station:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0208/S00085.htm
No Arabs on Flight 77:
http://www.sierratimes.com/03/07/02/article_tro.htm
Flight manifests (tell me if you find any Arabs):
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/AA11.victims.html
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/AA77.victims.html
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/ua93.victims.html
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/ua175.victims.html
Thirty experts say “official” 9/11 myth impossible:
http://911fraud.blogspot.com/2005/06/us-governments-offical-911-story-is.html
“Al Qaeda” website tracks back to Maryland:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/alqmaryland.html
Al Qaeda videos uploaded from U.S. government website:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2004/140704governmentwebsite.htm
Operation: Northwoods, a plan for a false-flag “terror” attack to be blamed on Castro to use it as a pretext for America to invade Cuba, thankfully not approved by Kennedy back in 1962 but was approved by the Joint Chiefs of Staff and sent to his desk:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/us_terror_plan_cuba_invasion_pretext.html
Posted by: Enlightenment | November 09, 2006 at 11:52 PM
I watched the video, and he did say typhus--either he meant typhoid, or he was speaking imprecisely (this would fit with what he said about malaria--unchlorinated/badly treated water would not directly expose people to malaria, but might provide mosquitoes with more opportunities to breed). He testified before the Senate: http://democrats.senate.gov/dpc/hearings/hearing27/carter.pdf . It's worth a read, especially the 2nd and 3rd pages.
Posted by: Andy | November 10, 2006 at 02:37 AM
The bit about 9.11 sounds about right. People are sheep and the Straussians have led them to their own slaughter.
I wonder if the truth will ever emerge and overturn the conventional 9.11 conspiracy theory we are told to believe???
Posted by: DefJef | November 10, 2006 at 07:39 AM
If Halliburton really were providing tainted water I would have to think that there is something going on at Halliburton that reflects less greed than gross incompetence. Either that or greed so excessive that it is driving basket-case incompetence.
Supplying safe drinking water is a very simple and relatively, (depending on scale) inexpensive matter. Here’s how you do it: 1. Filter the water. Sand makes an excellent filter. It is my understanding that sand is available in Iraq. 2. Chlorinate the water. Various means of chlorination are commonly used but household laundry bleach –sodium hypochlorite- works fine. I believe that chlorox is still available in most supermarkets. 3. figure out a way to allow the chlorine to have time to kill the pathogens. Generally some sort of tank, cistern or long pipe is used. Not fucking rocket science. 4. Test the water your disinfection system has generated. If you can manage to figure out how to fill out the Halliburton job application form, you can surely figure out how to order and use a test kit. Water purification is something that is universally required and has therefore been completely idiot-proofed. Only a sub-idiot could fuck this up.
No, no one ever got typhus from bad water, ditto for malaria. You get typhus from typhus infected lice. Typhus was only recently a disease of war, but no longer. Malaria is enabled by standing water such as is found in ditches, tires, or marshes where mosquito larvae live, not drinking water systems. If soldiers are being exposed to malaria carrying mosquitos, they can be given prophylactic drugs.
Oh yeah, Enlightenment, how does Jack Ruby fit into the 9/11 thing?
Posted by: cfrost | November 10, 2006 at 08:23 AM
Oh, man. The 9/11 nutjobs are here? Yeesh.
Yes, Lucid, if the allegations are true, I want them nailed to a cross, and I will want to hammer the first nail.
Posted by: The Phantom | November 10, 2006 at 10:39 AM
I want them nailed to a cross
Meaning what? If Halliburton is nailed to the cross, and Halliburton is the only company that can "do all the things Halliburton can do," it can hardly meet the military's needs, no? Why do you hate the troops? Why do you hate America?
Via Billmon, it appears Lindsay has successfully set the agenda:
Posted by: Sven | November 10, 2006 at 11:08 AM
Sven
Don't be a dope. If bad work has been done, people can and should be punished.
Posted by: The Phantom | November 10, 2006 at 11:12 AM
Don't be a dope.
Thanks for the advice. I'll return the favor: Stop spurting half-assed talking points about "liberal curse words" and calling people insane when you don't know WTF you're talking about.
Posted by: Sven | November 10, 2006 at 11:41 AM
Sven
Its not a talking point. I have never heard anyone else use that phrase in this context.
Halliburton is a liberal curse word, a supposed argument ender. Well, its not. I have raised the as yet unrefuted argument that your boy --yes, he's yours don't deny it -- Clinton gave them no bid contracts as did Bush for the undeniable reason that no private company has all the resources that Halliburton does.
You can't have a bid system with only one bidder, which would often be the case if bids were needed.
If they have committed wrongs, then punish them. But when the likes of you says "Halliburton" don't expect the argument to be over. It isn't.
Posted by: The Phantom | November 10, 2006 at 11:49 AM
Clinton gave them no bid contracts as did Bush for the undeniable reason that no private company has all the resources that Halliburton does.
Jesus Christ. Let me say it again, slowly. That. Isn't. The. Argument. That's the Librul cartoon you have playing in your head.
The contention made in the last thread was that the Dems shouldn't focus on "bullshit investigations," to which you immediately added:
That was followed by statements that "sane people cannot decipher" why Halliburton has a bad rep on the left and that "someone's playing games."You obviously had no clue that this credible allegation was out there, or that there are dozens of others just like it. And that's just involving Halliburton. After Lindsay enlightened you, you suddenly signed up for the Librul agenda. Tell me, who's playing games?
This is the argument: Given that the Republicans systematically dismantled all mechanisms for oversight in both the legislative and executive branches, and given that what little we know already demonstrates that uncounted, horrific abuses have occurred under the GOP's non-watch, it's high time for a whole bunch of bullshit investigations.
And this is my argument: You're the precisely low-information, loudmouthed buffoon that you characterize "libs" as. It's high time for you to fire up The Google and get yourself up to speed if you want to participate in the discussion. I hope you're a quick reader, because "libs" have a six-year jump on you.
Posted by: Sven | November 10, 2006 at 12:30 PM
Phantom's Boy, courtesy Laura Rozen:
Posted by: Sven | November 10, 2006 at 12:54 PM
Sven
Don't get upset. What I have heard overandoverandoverandover from the Libs from 2000 till this very day has been "Halliburton" as a curse word because of the "no bid contracts" which are supposed to be always bad. And which hopefully I have educated some of you that they are not-they are necessary at times. Like times of war in far flung locales.
The charges alleged here are new to me. I'm not going to pretend to be all-knowning as the Sven thinks himself to be. I'm fine with an investigation. I'm fine with punishing those who cheat or who skimp or who are grossly incompetent. If you think this is consistent with anything the Phantom has ever said, then I am sorry, but the inconsistency is all in your head.
But to restate the obvious--there is nothing inherently wrong with no-bid contracts. Which is what you guys tend to kill Halliburton on dayafterdayafterdayafterday.
Posted by: The Phantom | November 10, 2006 at 01:25 PM
Who said I'm upset? Why, I loves ya. Ya big galoot.
Posted by: Sven, The Masked Terror | November 10, 2006 at 02:12 PM
Where the deer and the antelope p-pl--
Where the deer and the antelope p-pl--
Where the deer and the antelope p-pl--
Posted by: 1984 Was Not a Shopping List | November 10, 2006 at 02:24 PM
Hello to you that have posted your comments here. I am Ben Carter in this video. You are correct on two points. I did say typhus, and I did say malaria. Both were incorrect, somewhat. I was being interviewed without any notice before of the questions I would be asked, so I slipped on those descriptions. I had obtained a copy of the risk assesment done by the military for the desert storm. Those two were both a concern for the military and I just mixed up on that. I apologize for that. But, to comment on how easy it is to disenfect water is grossly wrong. There was NO chlorine available on the from Halliburton. NONE! When I discovered the problem, I had just recieved a hach spectophotometer fom chlorine analysis just a week prior to this incident. Therefore my statement here to you is this, How could a company the size of Halliburton have known how much or little chlorine to introduce to the water without a the test equipment to measure with?
Ben Carter
Posted by: Ben C Carter | November 11, 2006 at 12:19 AM
I was in AR Ramadi, Iraq when all this crap went on. Halliburton is simply a war profiteers with no regard to the solders who put themselves in danger. During the end of our deployment we found out about this scandal, but nothing happened it just got covered up in the news. These actions have got to change and Halliburton needs to be held responsible for every standard they have broken.
Posted by: Justin | April 14, 2008 at 09:30 AM