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What the other side is up to: A helpful guide, complete with PowerPoint, to melodies that do and don't praise God.
Posted by Lindsay Beyerstein at 09:19:13 PM
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That is unbelievably racist. Anything that smacks of "black" musical heritage is ungodly? And its also obviously an excuse for this knob to get up and show off. Ugh.
A White Bear |
March 25, 2007 at 09:32 PM
This guy's web site says he used to be in a rock band in the sixties till he found god. He obviously wants to rock out. How sad and pathetic at the same time.
March 25, 2007 at 10:34 PM
Well, beyond that sinful, secular "Heart & Soul" tune, he's got a couple of other problems... Like- "March music" is generally represented by a "2/4" time signature- not "4/4"... and I'm wondering why "break-beat" isn't characterized by it's traditional label, ie "swing". Seems like he could have gotten some mileage there... I did like the Latin dance characterized as "break-beat", though... What I'm hearing as an undercurrent to this boy's spiel is that The only acceptable Sacred music is Vocal- unadorned by any instrumentation at all (like, that's gonna save him from "rhythm").
And to this I'd like to add: Dixie Daddy is a two-beat daddy, with a Boom- boom Boom-tiyadee Boom... (That's march music, N'awlins-style...) ^..^
herbert browne |
March 25, 2007 at 11:42 PM
The funniest thing to me is how much his example of boogie-woogie gospel sounds like what got Jerry Lee Lewis thrown out of Bible school.
Never listen to folks who try to tell what the "acceptable" limits of music are. They ain't doing it for the sake of
Matt T. |
March 25, 2007 at 11:45 PM
Because God, the master of all creation. All perfect, all knowing, all powerful, wanting for nothing and unlimited in scope...
He just don't dig rock n roll. I suppose we ought to make our tastes to conform to His. He is perfect after all.
Mike J. |
March 26, 2007 at 03:06 AM
So if it's on the one, it's godly? I'm glad that Rev. Ives agrees that P-Funk is the most sacred of all.
March 26, 2007 at 06:05 AM
It reminds me a little of the communists. The mark of totalitarian ideology is to subsume the entirety of the mindspace into itself; music, art, philosophy, science, academia-- all must be turned to the service of the ideology, as expressed through the officially approved mechanisms. A hundred flowers may not bloom, a hundred schools of thought may not contend.
The message expressed here is desire to narrow the scope and expression of the human soul.
Anthony Damiani |
March 26, 2007 at 07:33 AM
Interesting a) that this battle, so popular in the 40s through 60s, is still being fought, and b) that this guy all but acknowledges that the influence of "ungodly" music is so pervasive that it's almost a lost cause (because even church guitarists and piano players, he claims, almost always unconsciously start "boogy-woogieing").
I've always believed, with little evidence, that Bach was the Sex Pistols of his day. For what it's worth.
March 26, 2007 at 08:43 AM
I don't know that I'd agree with dan that Bach was the Sex Pistols of his day, but he definitely was into dance music. A lot of the chorales he wrote that were later used for hymns were based on dance melodies of the time.
In other words, he did exactly what the guy in the clip is warning against. And why not? If you bring popular music into the church, people come to that church?
To me, music can't be "ungodly" on its own.
Chris P. |
March 26, 2007 at 02:16 PM
this sermon is actually much closer to the religious tradition I was raised in than anything I've seen from the religious right in a long time (so I've been mailing the clip all over the place; thanks Lindsay). Upper midwestern Lutheranism, as practiced in my little corner of Iowa in the 80s at least, had nothing at all to do with fearing jews, very, very little to do with hating gays, and we looked on the people quivering with anticipation of the rapture as charlatans or fools. The emphasis was on avoiding anything that could possibly be considered fun or entertaining (including any theology that could be considered fun or entertaining; hence no emphasis on fear, hatred or anticipation). If there was a choice of two ways to do something, God wanted you to choose the duller path. God as David Broder.
Our music director wasn't as worldly as this guy, and my church happened to have a really impressive organ, so I never quite saw it applied this way, but the whole tone of "if you do this, it's kind of fun, so don't do it!" really takes me back.
March 26, 2007 at 02:51 PM
Satan loves syncopation.
Bach was nothing like the Sex Pistols of his day. He was more like Aphex Twin.
Dr Zen |
March 26, 2007 at 10:20 PM
I just _knew_ Charlie Parker was the Devil! Save me Kenny G, save me!
The Great Beast |
March 26, 2007 at 11:53 PM
Frankly, it makes the music of blues legend Robert Johnson selling his soul to the devil at the crossroads all the more appealing, as an antidote.
March 27, 2007 at 12:22 AM
I recommend comparing Rev. Ives' discussion of rhythm to this discussion (starting at 6:04).
I don't know if the music made P-Funk a group of "soldiers" (a la Rev. Ives), but they "had an army" (starting at 6:45).
March 27, 2007 at 01:53 AM
It seems to me that Plato's Republic regulated which modes music could be composed in, and this reminds me of that a bit.
Gian dei Brughi |
March 27, 2007 at 03:00 AM
Thanks, ChrisR. I hadn't seen that Japanese doc before -- kind of surreal, but very cool.
Of course, there is also this, in all its glory.
March 28, 2007 at 02:52 AM
This was so beautiful. This guy spent 10 minutes on an amazing off-kilter seminar on music, swing, syncopation and march and gave us God's review along the way. He really isn't a bad teacher. We learned God really hates on swing and syncopation, but Satan is kicking his butt by getting it into church, anyway. Damn piano and guitar players. Pretty much the only instrument I am allowing in my godly church is a drum, so I can count the beat. 4/4, Awesome.
Don N |
March 28, 2007 at 10:41 PM
Dies irae dies illa.
God hates Rachmaninov.
April 20, 2007 at 12:41 PM
well I tried to watch the video but it says is unavailable, may be newxt time :)
Fan de musica cristiana |
October 18, 2007 at 02:01 PM
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