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June 10, 2007

"Pro-life" e-Cards

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Post-abortion greetings from the head Heather. She cares about you, really.

The above is one of the many online greetings available from The Pro-Life ECard center where you can "show your love and concern by sending a FREE e-card to a mother or father who has lost a baby to abortion."

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re. Nobody here is bragging about their multiple abortions:

My two abortions were two of the greatest blessings in my life.

I had two abortions when I was in my twenties and I have never, ever regretted them, either. I've never even spent much time thinking about them.

Respectfully, maybe you should so there's no need for a third (or fourth or fifth).

Women who brag about multiple abortions don't do much to help keep it legal.

Maybe you could market this: "I had four abortions and all I got was this lousy t-shirt".

Funny, eh? That'll really piss em off in Peoria!

But hurry. Go have an abortion because if you don't use it, you lose it, seems to be the thinking of some here...

Well, I'd love to but for one salient point: I don't have a womb.

Maybe nobody was talking to you, dumbfuck. Maybe they were addressing those women who were participating in the conversation.

Don't you have a draft to register for somewhere buddy? Shouldn't you be out fighting for the rights of Islamic women too somewhere? Lil dumbfuck.

You can also can the "sadly enough", since the pretense of being a concerned supporter of the right to an abortion is not credible.

You're interested in grandstanding gestures. Let me comfort you after your multiple abortions.

I'm more concerned with reality. Realize how precarious these rights are legally, and what is at loss. Course, you prolly don't sleep with the poor red state women likely to be affected. Abort away!

So that determination is, then, left to the whims of a patriarchal society, where men are privileged and women are disadvantaged when it comes to making determinations which affect the lives of other people.

Ironic that you claim to be a dude, and I'm not, eh? You act stupid, get the "right" yanked for a lot of us, then preach at how much you're helping women. Really, I love it!

You said that.
Not me.

You don't have to say it for that to be a reasonable inference to draw. That is why it is called an inference. If you only allow women to exercise rights when they're "truly needed", with the implication being that they're not exercising their rights properly and with due discretion, then, in a patriarchal society, the responsibility for figuring out what's a "truly needed" use of a right will fall largely to men. This isn't a hard concept to grasp.

I'll end it here and come back and visit in a few years when there are women -- not that you'll see them of course -- unable to make choices about this subject legally.

This is like another form of concern trolling: religious proselytization. You'll remember what I said when you wind up roasting in the fires of hell! Let's assume your anti-abortion eschatology should come to pass. What should women do then to regain the right to an abortion? Stand up in star chambers like the one depicted in The Handmaid's Tale at the Red Centre and recite, for the benefit of the anti-abortionists, some deep apology for actually having dared to obtain an abortion in the first place? Who will that benefit except the very people who claim that abortion is wrong?

But chances are, if things are ok where you're at, you just won't give a damn.

Since when does supporting the right to abortion on demand enough to respond patiently to a concern troll like you (not to mention volunteering as a clinic escort, donating, etc.) = not giving a damn?

Hey -- did you kids know that some folks out there are fighting a war? No? See how easy it is to put things out of your mind when you're not directly affected?

What?! There's a war going on somewhere? *wide eyed* This new learning amazes me!

I cannot express the degree of navel-gazing narcissism required to think that everyone here, except for you, is unaware that there are ongoing armed conflicts in the world, and then use the singular noun to transmit this stunning revelation, implying that there are no current wars beyond those fought by the United States.

And then call us "kids", a patriarchal infantilization of those who disagree with the right of certain high status male primates to control when, where, and how often females of his group procreate.

Parse that "nullifidian".

Two researchers from Cornell have already beaten me to it.

If you think practicing the "right" to have an abortion is like practicing the "right" to vote, I can't help your civic stupidity.

I didn't say they were like one another, merely that they were of equal weight and value. Perhaps if you can't help my so-called "civic stupidity", you could help your functional illiteracy? One can come up with all sorts of ways in which they're not alike: I don't vote in a surgery, and I've never seen an abortion performed in a polling booth, for one. These distinctions, however, are unimportant to affirming that it's any woman's right to seek an abortion how often, or how little she wants.

re. Nobody here is bragging about their multiple abortions:

My two abortions were two of the greatest blessings in my life.

I had two abortions when I was in my twenties and I have never, ever regretted them, either. I've never even spent much time thinking about them.

If this is supposed to be evidence for someone "bragging" about an abortion, it would help if it didn't fit my characterization of it perfectly. To wit:

No, actually nobody has. Simply saying that one has had multiple abortions doesn't mean that one is staking a claim to being a better person than anyone who's had just one or none. What has been going on is that the women who have said that they've had abortions do not regret it, and feel like it was the right choice. This stings you into concern-trolling that these women should shut up about their abortions, unless they offend some vaguely defined group into taking action against abortions. Given that, it's hardly surprising that people would question your commitment to supporting the right to have an abortion.

Your concern trolling still isn't plausible.

Maybe nobody was talking to you, dumbfuck. Maybe they were addressing those women who were participating in the conversation.

If you weren't talking to me, dumbfuck, then don't put your statements to the world at large in a reply to me without clearly delineating them.

Don't you have a draft to register for somewhere buddy?

No I don't, dumbfuck.

Shouldn't you be out fighting for the rights of Islamic women too somewhere?

No I shouldn't, dumbfuck. Here's a hint: the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars are not about the rights of any women, Islamic or otherwise.

You're interested in grandstanding gestures. Let me comfort you after your multiple abortions.

No, I'm interested in material support, rather than trying to tear down the women who have thought it necessary (the reason they did is not relevant to anyone but them) to have more than one abortion.

I'm more concerned with reality. Realize how precarious these rights are legally, and what is at loss.

Realize...what is at loss? Your grammar is more than a little muddled here. Presumably you meant either "what is at hand" or "what could be lost", but mangled and mashed them together because you really aren't concerned about either one, otherwise you wouldn't be harrassing women who exercised their rights.

Course, you prolly don't sleep with the poor red state women likely to be affected. Abort away!

Of course not. Kansas isn't a red state at all. *rolls eyes*

Ironic that you claim to be a dude, and I'm not, eh?

Not really. Plus, I'm not under any obligations to believe you about any of your demographic information, including gender.

You act stupid, get the "right" yanked for a lot of us, then preach at how much you're helping women. Really, I love it!

Okay, how am I "acting stupid"? Let's focus on actions, shall we? I can't get an abortion because I can't get pregnant, let alone the multiple abortions that you're so up in arms about. And even if I were able to do so, the characterization of that as "acting stupid" is telling: it means that there are times when women are to be considered stupid for exercising their rights, and that determination doesn't rest with them, but with the anti-abortion crowd.

So what am I doing which will get the right to an abortion yanked?

Am I joining forces with the anti-abortionists to try to get women to say what a mistake multiple abortions are? No, you are.

Am I giving an inch on the concept of a woman's own bodily and legal autonomy? No, you are, since you don't think women are using their rights properly when they get an abortion.

What I have done is provided financial support to organizations which support the right to and provide abortions, including one particularly embattled provider in Jackson, MS (the only one for the whole state).

I have served as a clinic escort to get women through the throngs of screaming anti-abortion fanatics.

I have argued with anti-abortionists like you, I've written editorials, and I've worked to ensure that my campus provides women with full information about every birth control option, including where to get an abortion if needed.

How is any of this activism going to get the right to abortion on demand yanked? Please, explain to me how being meek instead in the face of a strategy to steadily chip away at abortion rights until they're overturned or made de facto illegal is going to further the cause of abortion rights.

Think at 15:30:
"I'll end it here and come back and visit in a few years."

Oh Lord, we beseech thee: would that it be true, and grant us these few years respite.

If people truly cared about protecting the unborn, they would spend more time helping the undborn. For those of you that do help those in a crisis pregnancy, keep up the great work!

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