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May 01, 2006

Fake abortion clinics


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Amanda has a new article up at AlterNet about fake abortion clinics:

Misleading 'crisis pregnancy centers' are appearing across America, aiming to limit or even prevent women from exploring all of their legal health care options.

Amanda explains how American women are being tricked, and sometimes even harassed and entrapped by bogus crisis pregnancy centers--often at taxpayers' expense.

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Sounds like the job for a trademarked branding effort. Convince a good advertising firm to donate time and media buys for a recognizable logo and advertise it widely in areas where this goes on, and hand the trademark to NOW or someone like that to certify real clinics, who can prominently display it. Then sue the crap out of the fake clinics that will invariably try to use it.

I had previously read this account of fake abortion clinics and particulairly the 17 year-old who was harrassed after being misled into recieveing "care" from one. As fishbane points out sue them, but what gets missed is these clinics are commiting a crime actually several, first they purport themselves to be a medical clinic-they aren't. Then they file a false police report. They go on to stalk the girl, divulge and dissemenate privilged information. Telling the girls father may or may not be legal, however telling classmates at her school is under no circumstances legal. There are a set of laws called HIPPA that very rigorously set standards as to who has access to your medical information. This "clinic" broke this law and should be liable to at the very least fines, any "real" medical personel in this case can and should have their licenses and/or certifications suspended or revoked. They also can be personally sued. What I am saying here is bring the legal system to bear on these people in every possible way.

You know I cant attest to any legal misrepresentation of crises pregnancy centers. My instincts tell me that many may operate in this regard. The one I work with (the Father Pat Jackson House in Ann Arbor Michiga http://comnet.org/fpj/ ) provides women with everything from housing, pre-natal care, job assistance & independent living skills.
This program is for women who choose the alternative to abortion, (i.e, having the child)
I don’t know how many Planned Parenthood centers offer such services. (my instincts tell me few if any) If they do not however, are they not as culpable as the centers in the article for not providing women with any meaningful “choice”? If the extent of Planned Parenthood is merely to advocate for one possible choice (abortion) & they don’t provide meaningful support and resources for alternatives, are they not pro-abortion rather than pro-choice. If the term parenthood has any meaning, then planned parenthood should support the possibility of actual parenthood and the means to achieve it.
In other words, cant planned parenthood be accused of the same deception?

Fitz--

As far as I can tell, the Fr. Pat Jackson House is not misrepresenting itself, so it's really not relevant.

As for Planned Parenthood, they do give information on alternatives to abortion if asked. I doubt the Fr. Pat Jackson House refers clients to Planned Parenthood if they ask where they might obtain an abortion.

Try contacting Planned Parenthood or visiting their website, instead of simply making assumptions about the services they do and do not provide.

I don’t know how many Planned Parenthood centers offer such services. (my instincts tell me few if any)

If you go to their website, you will see quickly that they provide a wide range of health services, including a huge amount of prenatal care.

True, I have never heard of a PP providing housing or job services, but then again, these aren't health services. They do offer counciling on parenting and family issues focussing mostly on things like talking with your children about sexuality.

I think the real cause of the difference between the services offered by pro-life pregnancy clinics and women's health clinics like planned parenthood comes from a fundementally different understanding of charity. Planned Parenthood provides health services: they are interested keeping people healthy and giving them control over their own health. The pro life clinics are extensions of the church, and like the church strive to provide a complete community for a person.

It's because of places like Crisis Pregnancy Centers that I've forwarded this post to my 14 year old daughter. We've always talked pretty frankly about sexual and reproductive issues; part of my goal, though, is to ensure that if she ever runs into someone who's been exploited and manipulated by a sleazy operation like Crisis Pregnancy Center, she can act like the friend did in the article, and get the person real help (yes, Fitz, real, comprehensive help, that includes discussing ALL options).

See generally Fitz's instincts, supra note 3. Cf. Fitz's gut feeling (2006).

Clare & others
"yes, Fitz, real, comprehensive help, that includes discussing ALL options"

What I was driving at wasn’t the fact that Planned Parenthood wont “discuss all the options” (although one wonders if they even do that as a practical matter) but rather facilitate the options of a healthy pregnancy the way many centers do (such as the one I work with & mentioned above). I mentioned this in the context of the term “choice” and whether or not organizations like Planned Parenthood truly endeavor to facilitate the autonomous decisions of the female clients it serves or (as a practical matter) merely promotes abortion at the expense of viable options it doesn’t fund or provide for.

Fitz--

It's really pointless to post here if you're not going to bother reading the other comments.

See also Fitz's Wondering, supra note 9. Cursory preemption check found no primary or secondary sources outside of the Fitz Neurosystem Complex.

Fitz, I can tell you from personal experience that if you walk into Planned Parenthood due to an unplanned pregnancy that you wish to carry to term, not only will they provide pre-natal care at a rate you can afford, but they will also provide you with an exhaustive list of organizations whose mission it is to help women with the other necessities such as job services, etc. that you mentioned. They do not provide these services themselves, because their mission is to provide affordable healthcare options, and they are operating on such limited resources they are barely able to do that. Job services have nothing to do with healthcare. But because having a job is condusive to being healthy (by way of being able to have a home, heat, food, etc.) they will do everything they can to point you in the right direction. I ask you directly, if I walked into your center and told you that I wanted to terminate a pregnancy, would you, after advising me of my other options, hand over a list of safe and affordable abortion providers in my area? If not, then your statement smacks of hypocracy. At least I know Planned Parenthood will help support me in my personal decisions, whatever they may be, if not direcly then with a wealth of information. I doubt your center can say the same.

gordo

"It's really pointless to post here if you're not going to bother reading the other comments."

But I have read the other comments, and have responded to them.

I believe my point still stands. To get down to brass tacks, in as much as Planned Parenthood does not provide for comprehensive pregnancy services, housing, pre-natal care, job assistance & independent living skills, etcetera…. They are not truly interested in promoting all “choices” equally.

Achacon

I ask you directly, if I walked into your center and told you that I wanted to terminate a pregnancy, would you, after advising me of my other options, hand over a list of safe and affordable abortion providers in my area?

No, of coarse not.

If not, then your statement smacks of hypocrisy.

It may “smack” of it, but none is to be found. We don’t counsel abortion, we provide for pregnant women. Planned Parenthood on the other hand operates under the guise of providing options for, and services to women. It claims the women as an autonomous decision maker and then fails to provide for the full range of possible decisions. This is why the “choice” language specifically lends itself to hypocrisy (as I point out). While the pro-life position proudly follows its internal consistency and supports the women throughout and after delivery.

I know Planned Parenthood will help support me in my personal decisions, whatever they may be, if not direcly then with a wealth of information. I doubt your center can say the same.

As stated, it never claims to. Whereas, both the terms “choice” and “parenthood” denote a more comprehensive approach than is being offered.

“They do not provide these services themselves, because their mission is to provide affordable healthcare options, and they are operating on such limited resources they are barely able to do that”

If you want to see “limited resources” first hand, visit your typical Catholic charity. We don’t have much, except the courage of our convictions and the honesty to state them.

Planned Parenthood provides health services, counselling, and advocacy. They aren't a social service organization. So, no, Planned Parenthood doesn't provide housing for unwed teenage mothers. So what? Neither does your local OB-GYN.

PP does provide counselling and medical care for the full spectrum of reproductive health issues. Some women get all their OB-GYN services at their local PP clinic--including care during their wanted pregnancies.

It's wonderful that other social service organizations are providing housing and other forms of support for struggling families. No doubt PP refers women to a variety of social service providers.

in as much as Planned Parenthood does not provide for comprehensive pregnancy services, housing, pre-natal care, job assistance & independent living skills

Please stop including pre-natal care in this list. Planned parenthood clinics generally provide pre-natal care.

rob helpy-chalk

For free?

Shorter Fitz: Because PP doesn't provide all services to all women that any single pregnant woman MIGHT need, at no cost, it doesn't provide women with any choice. Never mind that Planned Parenthood is probably the largest provider of free or reduced fee prenatal and other reproductive services in the country.

It is my understanding that Planned Parenthood generally charges fees according to a sliding scale based on income. It is certainly far cheaper than the average ob-gyn. The average Catholic hospital, on the other hand charges pretty much like any other hospital for profit or otherwise.

And just like your Crisis pg center doesn't provide services it doesn't advertise, Planned Parenthood doesn't advertise job placement and related services. It does, however, provide referrals to an extensive network of such providers.

I trust Planned Parenthood to honor the reproductive choices of women. Your center, on the other hand, will honor their choices only the extent they conform to what the center has already decreed all women should do.

Some of us, you know, might have actually been down this road once upon a time and are exceedingly grateful to PP's nonjudgmental, extremely competent services.

At the Togolosh Memorial Crisis Pregnancy and CranioProctological Emergency Clinic, not only do we offer prenatal care, housing, jobs, helicopter flight training, badger husbandry, and Ninjitsu, we also offer referrals to charities providing services not provided through the clinic. When the new downtown location opens we will be able to provide the full spectrum of choices, from immediate, on-demand abortion at the drive-up window, to raising your kid from infancy, through college, wasted and dissolute early adulthood, failed business ventures, draft evasion - all the way to the Preznitcy of the United States!

for our first child (now 15) we got our mid-wife through PP, and attended birthing classes there. we also got all of our condoms there...

To get down to brass tacks, in as much as Planned Parenthood does not provide for comprehensive pregnancy services, housing, pre-natal care, job assistance & independent living skills, etcetera…. They are not truly interested in promoting all “choices” equally.

Except that THEY DO OFFER PRE-NATAL CARE.

What part of PLANNED PARENTHOOD OFFERS PRE-NATAL CARE is incomprehensible to you? Do you have selective blindness? Is it a reading comprehension disorder?

Planned Parenthood tries to offer services on a sliding scale, depending on how much government money they get. There is now less money for actual health care because money is being routed to organizations that lie and say they provide care when they don't.

Planned Parenthood is an actual service organization, and does not extract favors from the people it provides service to in exchange for their services. CPCs demand compliance to get their miniscule services. They are undemocratic and coercive. You are free to use Planned Parenthood if you have one child or ten, no abortions or many. They are actual medical people and bound by the ethics of the profession to provide care.

The CPCs here in Texas do not have the money or staffing to provide shit. They don't have doctors, they don't have food, they don't have paid employees. The so-called counseling is meaningless. The receptionist I talked to at Austin Life Care didn't even know what kind of credentials one would need to be a licensed counselor and she sure as hell couldn't name anyone on their non-existent staff that had said credentials. CPCs are cruel, wasting women's time and energy when those women are vulnerable.

Thanks for the link!

Amanda, thanks for a fine article on a critical issue.

Fake abortion clinics.
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Real incompetence.

Amanda:

They are actual medical people and bound by the ethics of the profession to provide care.

Ah, would that it were true. It is their consciences, not the profession that binds them to this duty. The AMA wants you to know that doctors don't have to treat people they don't want to. See #VI in the principles of ethics.

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