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February 08, 2007

Official statement from Edwards: Amanda and Shakes not fired!

The Edwards campaign has issued its official statement: Amanda Marcotte and Melissa McEwan are not fired!

Statement on Campaign Bloggers
John Edwards in News
2/08/2007 at 11:36 AM EST

The tone and the sentiment of some of Amanda Marcotte's and Melissa McEwan's posts personally offended me. It's not how I talk to people, and it's not how I expect the people who work for me to talk to people. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but that kind of intolerant language will not be permitted from anyone on my campaign, whether it's intended as satire, humor, or anything else. But I also believe in giving everyone a fair shake. I've talked to Amanda and Melissa; they have both assured me that it was never their intention to malign anyone's faith, and I take them at their word. We're beginning a great debate about the future of our country, and we can't let it be hijacked. It will take discipline, focus, and courage to build the America we believe in.

The Edwards camp showed real courage today. They stuck by their bloggers in the face of a targeting attack by right wing extremists. In so doing they demonstrated many admirable qualities that will serve them well in the months ahead: Loyalty to their own staff, responsiveness to the progressive blogosphere as a whole, and a solid understanding of how blogging works as a medium. The netroots scored a big victory today as well. The right wing blogosphere can be neutralized through coordinated action. The era of intimidation is over.

[HT: Liza Sabater.]


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Chris: It'd be embarrassing easy to play he said/she said with right wing candidates and bloggers about religious hate speech- you could absolutely, well, crucify anybody who's ever linked to LGF, for example, or any number of smaller sites. Not to mention anybody who have linked to Glenn Reynolds (who posts any number of hateful comments with his little "indeed". The Republicans can't make much hay of this, not really.

Of course, it's not the Republicans that will. It'll be the DLC types that have completely forgotten what it is to believe something in the first place. They're the ones that made Howard Dean "unelectable" and then went on to lose the election. They're the ones trying to intimidate the public, top tier bloggers into playing ball and avoiding linking to anybody outspoken and controversial.

(Which, if Mary Scott O'Connor is right, may already be propelling Kos' choices of victims for the St. Blogrollintine's Day Massacre earlier this week.)

Kudos to John for keeping them on; having an opinion isn't a crime.

--you could absolutely, well, crucify anybody who's ever linked to LGF, for example, or any number of smaller sites--

Oh yeah? Provide an example of a post on LGF that exemplifies religious hate speech. Not a comment, a post.

Calling Islam the "Religion of Peace" does not qualify as hate speech by the way.

Folks seem unable to distinguish between Pandagon's maligning Catholic teaching and Pandagon's being wrong to malign Catholic teaching. The point is not that she did it and she was wrong to do so. The point is that she did it, and is pretending that she didn't, and Edwards is pretending that she didn't, when it is obvious that she did. All of you who are chiming in 'and she's right to say these things' just confirms that she said it, and that it's just bullshit to deny it.

Lindsay writes;
The netroots scored a big victory today as well. The right wing blogosphere can be neutralized through coordinated action. The era of intimidation is over.

I think Lindsay has articulated an impoortant point that can stand up as the main theme of the left blogosphere, sticking together and being passionate are able to build a strong movement. Considering that this is only the beginning of developing a left prescence on the internet, the ability to make a stand with Edwards shows that the old media and it's menions are rapidly weakening in the face of the political force of making connections.

Lindsay also exemplifies the move away from just text to a more visual connection process. That is where the real power of the left will begin to appear. Words alone cannot bring strong enough ties to hold up against the gathering right wing hurricane that results from the Iraq war. The war being lost there is because communities can hold together in the face of great murderous threats. And that is what the left blogosphere is showing the way toward. A passionate resurgence of social connection the people can use to exert power lost to them through all other avenues of media expression.


Final(?) thoughts on LGF...they're a very useful watchdog on some of the bullshit that goes on in sites like dailykos. Nothing gets a lefty's back up than to say that they're unpatriotic or that they do not support the troops, but on sites like daily kos, you see evidence of leftists who despise both the country and the troops (not just the war) both weekly, on a major site. Don't blame LGF for pointing this out.

They report on the antisemetic ( and anti-many other things ) broadcasting that takes place in the Middle East, usually with copies of what is being referred to..

They report on how Arab/Palestinian children are inculcated to hate Jews, Israelis, Westerners from the earliest ages, again with documentation.

You see very little of the above in the mainstream press, and none of it here or in other left-leaning blogs.

LGF is one of the most important websites in the country. I've never heard of their having to retract a story. If you're not reading them every so often, you're choosing to be uninformed.

...and then they say outrageous, bigoted things about Muslims. Being consistent doesn't make you right; Bill Dembski is pretty consistent and has never retracted an anti-evolution claim.


Give me some examples of the "outrageous, bigoted" things that they've said.

Islam has so intimidated many so that criticism of any kind of that religion is regarded as "outrageous" and "bigoted"

I could easily give you a large number of things that they've printed that you'll never find in a compliant and fearful mainstream press

So how about you giving me a few examples of "bigoted" comments towards Muslims. Choose them carefully, mon ami.

Not a comment, a post.

In most cases, I do think it's unfair to criticize a blog based on cherry-picked comments, but LGF is different. The whole point of LGF is to enable incredibly vitriolic and racist attacks on Muslims. The posts themselves are usually worded carefully enough to allow plausible deniability, but they are also practically incidental to the blog, except as jumping-off points. Nobody reads LGF for the posts themselves -- they go there because they want to get their hate on in comments.


OK, so how long do I have to wait until I say that you and Alon are busted? That an assertion was made, once more, with nothing at all to back it up?

I don't recall ever seeing "racist" or "hate" comments towards Muslims as people. What I have seen is: harsh criticism towards the hate-Imams, " cultural practices" such as honor killings, the not so slow-motion dhimmification of western Europe, to those who teach children to hate or who use them as shields, to those who riot and kill because someone prints cartoons that they don't approve of.

And what exactly is wrong with any of that? Why wouldn't any thinking site deal with some or all of these things?

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