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March 12, 2007

Most Americans don't want Libby pardoned

Note to Andrea Mitchell, who said on the following on national TV:

"They're going to try to really tamp this down and appeal to the polling which indicates that most people think, in fact, that he should be pardoned. Scooter Libby should be pardoned."

Eighteen percent is not a majority.

[HT: Hopper]

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Eighteen percent is not a majority.

Really? I guess that means we can't call Mr. Thirty Percent Approval Rating a "popular" president any more, either?

I doubt that 8 percent of the public has the slightest idea who this guy is.

I doubt that 8 percent of the public has the slightest idea who this guy is.

that is probably the most honest statement i have read so far today.

my question is:

how much do the commentators like Andrea Mitchell get paid to create discussions with a straight face?

The level of in-depth analysis that was witnessed tonight on national TV was clearly lacking to say the least.

I am not sure this is all Andrea Mitchell's fault. I think we need to look at the booking agents in charge of the program. Perhaps better analysis will be found there.

We're starting to see more Internet liveblogging, and my bet is that it is going to evolve into a whole new alternative to the bullshit news programs that we get from the major networks. It will take a little while, but once sponsors get on board and begin to provide backing for the liveblogging work of people like Jane Hamsher, who knows what could happen...?

Tosh! Of course it is. It's just that a majority of Americans also don't support a pardon.
It's perfectly logical. Anything over 5% is a majority.

If the people who'll take over the internet media are like Jane Hamsher, we'll all doomed.

"I am not sure this is all Andrea Mitchell's fault. I think we need to look at the booking agents in charge of the program."

Andrea Mitchell is a reporter, isn't she? At least allegedly. Why isn't this her fault?

"If the people who'll take over the internet media are like Jane Hamsher, we'll all (sic) doomed."

Because Firedoglake has done such a poor job covering the trial?

I think this just shows again that the narrative told in the MSM about what is happening in the country, on almost any subject, is written by the right-wing media-noise machine. Their talking points become the "reality" discussed on those shows. Mitchell's statement did not appear in a vacuum. It was written, and we all know who wrote it. What is sad is that she said it, obviously without investigating whether it was even remotely accurate.

I'll forgive her if she corrects herself on the air within 48 hours and tells us who told her that the majority of Americans want Scooter Libby pardoned.


If she doesn't correct herself within 48 hours, then she should be asked to resign.


Well, I don't think ole Scooter deserves a pardon. But lighten up on Andrea Mitchell. Jeez!

As for the whole pardon issue, there have been controversial pardons by both parties. I am sure if asked, less than 8 or 18% wanted convicted cocain trafficker Carlos Vignali pardoned by Clinton, or Nixon pardoned by Ford, or MArc Rich by Clinton or Steinbrenner by Reagan (especially Red Sox fans on this one!). If Bush pardons Libby, which I do not think he will, he would be no different in that regard from other presidents throughout history pardoning political and financial allies.

How many years is this guy faceing?
I cant sem to find that out?

I think any Pardon would not come until he has exahusted all appeals.

In theory, he's facing 20 years. Most think he'll serve less than 20 months. His appeals are groundless and they're expensive, so my guess is he'll be pardoned soon, public opinion be damned. Normally, the party could be expected to apply pressure to ensure the WH doesn't do something rash, but the current group in the WH has shown repeatedly that it doesn't care. They used the party to get in the saddle and now, they've made their millions. It appears to me that the party will have to resort to its trump card--fear--to have any hope of success in '08.

B-Money -

Those presidents were diminished by the pardons you listed.

If Bush pardons Scooter Libby, he will be diminished, too.

Eric Jaffa-

I agree. But a diminished Bush legacy is pretty much meaningless. He is diminished to the point where he is a joke at this point. Reagan's legacy remained in tact and he was celebrated in death. Clinton will forever be the "BJ" prez, so his legacy was tarnished while still in office, not to mention all of the "accidental" deaths and other scandals related to sex and Whitewater.

I guess my point was/is that presidents grants ridiculous pardons regardless of party and future legacy. If Bush does pardon Libby, it won;t really matter, as far as his legacy goes.

I think the whole Plame affair is much ado about nothing. Still, if someone chooses to speak to the FBI instead of remaining silent then he needs to be honest.

A Libby Pardon Pardons the Entire Cheney Propaganda Operation

Lying has Consequences? Who knew?

Once upon a time Paul Revere rode through the land acclaiming that "The Red Coats are Coming."

Scooter's conviction has similarly caused a new message to go out in the politics-first, truth-second neocon propaganda cabal leading the Bush White House.

It's a strange concept to this crowd and they've become quite nervous. As they crowd around the water coolers, the buzz is: "Did ya hear? There are actually certain lies and certain circumstances for which I, you and the big boys can be held to be legally accountable."

Any politician or pundit that calls for Scooter to be pardoned should first be asked to state without reservation that one of the normal and acceptable operations of the American executive is to initiate and oversee an office of propaganda that deliberately and with malice aforethought manipulates the truth to achieve a political objective.

How can some higher up, i.e.Scooter in this case, not have eventually been caught in legally crossing the line when truth telling has been so relegated to the political trash bin. Cheney, under oath, would have no choice other than pleading the Fifth Amendment.

Those who favor pardoning Scooter symbolically condone and champion the neocon propaganda cabal and each of its lies that initiated an illegal war and the deaths and injuries of thousands of America's youth.

Those presidents were diminished by the pardons you listed.

If Bush pardons Scooter Libby, he will be diminished, too.

How much more can the guy be deminished? You mean there is such a thing as negative popularity?

I think this just shows again that the narrative told in the MSM about what is happening in the country, on almost any subject, is written by the right-wing media-noise machine. Their talking points become the "reality" discussed on those shows. Mitchell's statement did not appear in a vacuum. It was written, and we all know who wrote it.

Nothin' but net, DBD!

Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

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