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June 10, 2007

"Pro-life" e-Cards

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Post-abortion greetings from the head Heather. She cares about you, really.

The above is one of the many online greetings available from The Pro-Life ECard center where you can "show your love and concern by sending a FREE e-card to a mother or father who has lost a baby to abortion."

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From the link in cfrost's post:

"It is not that unusual to talk to young women who have had four or more abortions. This means that a significant percentage of the childbearing population in America is using abortion as a means of birth control."

That is F%$cking disgusting!

UncleAnon, there is not a woman in my immediate family who has ever had an abortion.

You think they'd tell you of all people?

Yes, cfrost, I believe my wife would tell me.

I have no sisters, and no female cousins.

There has not been a female born into our family in over 250 years. All females were married in.

Yes, cfrost, I believe my wife would tell me.

Don't count on it.

There has not been a female born into our family in over 250 years. All females were married in.

A case of genetic transmission distortion? Meiotic drive or gametic selection going on? So we see that Dave is a specimen in more ways than one.

"A case of genetic transmission distortion? Meiotic drive or gametic selection going on? So we see that Dave is a specimen in more ways than one."


Oh there is a knee slapper! So there must be something wrong with me because I find women who use abortion as birthcontrol absolutly disgusting. That must be it.

I find women who use abortion as birthcontrol absolutly disgusting.

More typos, but I digress. Something ain't passing the smell test. It's more than just abortion that disgusts you about women.

Next up for these compassionate people: Sympathy cards for Jews who die not knowing Jesus. After all, an innocent fetus is not heading for hell, but an unredeemed Jew is, according to these people. Which is the bigger tragedy?

Maybe thus:

Dying without hope of the eternal life Jesus offers is a terrible thing.

I will be praying for your dead relative's damned soul in hell and for yours that you may find the same love that Jesus has brought me, before it's too late.

Peace

And I have a special prayer for our disgusted friend Dave, but no time to post it now.

(You do know every sperm is precious to Jesus, Dave, don't you? An occasional wet dream is understandable, but don't even tell me you jerk off, it would disgust me too much.)

Reading comprehension, epistemology, obviously not a friend of yours?

I had two abortions when I was in my twenties and I have never, ever regretted them, either. I've never even spent much time thinking about them.

Respectfully, maybe you should so there's no need for a third (or fourth or fifth).

Women who brag about multiple abortions don't do much to help keep it legal. They play right into the idea that some women use their "choice" too late in the game, and look upon pregnancy as a minor convenience to book an abortion for, rather than a medical intervention that can properly be prevented ... if you spend just a little bit of time thinking about it.

I know it will sound snarky in this thread, but I'll pray for you -- that you can use better judgment and accept your abortions rather than seemingly denying their effects. Those were potential lives, and any abortion discussion is cheapened by seeming not to recognize this. Sadly, you no more have a right to an another abortion than a fetus has to life -- meaning nothing is guaranteed. If we can see that and what is at risk for loss (legal choice to abort or not), then maybe we won't take it so for granted that we don't have to think about it later.

Women who brag about multiple abortions don't do much to help keep it legal.

No one has "bragged" about their abortions on this thread. And your choice of that particular word doesn't do much to conceal the fact that you're concern-trolling.

Those were potential lives, and any abortion discussion is cheapened by seeming not to recognize this.

And the women who had to abandon ambitions and hopes in order to change diapers, theirs were potential lives also.

No one uses abortion as a method of routine birth control (except perhaps in the old Soviet block because other forms of reliable birth control were not available). Other methods are much less trouble. The trick is to make them available to all women in all circumstances.

A sizable fraction of the Christian right would like the worst of both worlds: fewer means of birth control available and no backup abortions. It’s more than babies they care about. Droves of women with education and careers evaporated into the smell of baby powder and sour milk will provide fertile ground for poverty and yield a rich harvest of Christians.

Ouch. I hate to think of someone actually receiving one of these things.

Abortions are just fine. Not a thing wrong with them.

"and look upon pregnancy as a minor convenience to book an abortion for, rather than a medical intervention that can properly be prevented"

My god, have you ever had a female friend go through an abortion? I can't get over how divorced from your reality your train of thought is. There are physical consequences that are not easy to ignore. Even at 6 weeks, and even taking Mifepristone and Misoprostol at home, these are not casual events.

Damn right, MK. If women who used abortion as birth control really existed, I'd have to regard them as weirdly masochistic, though not immoral since fetuses have no rights--but these women don't exist. They're figments of fevered anti-choice imaginations.

Nobody says that if you've had more than one root canal you're using odontology as a substitute for flossing. It's the same logic.

Why is two abortions some kind of magic number for making assumptions about how diligent someone is about birth control, anyway?

How many months is an average woman fertile in her life? What's the failure rate of the best birth control diligently applied. If you do the math, you'll see that there will be a hell of a lot of women nationwide who will eventually have more than one unplanned pregnancy despite the best BC available.

Dave's "one-abortion-fine, two-unacceptable" is possibly the least justifiable position I've ever come across on the internet. That is itself an amazing accomplishment.

[clears throat]

Phealings, nothing more than -- phealings,
Trying to forget my phealings of love.
[louder:] Phealings, woh-woh-woh, phealings,
[trailing off:] Dooby-dooby-doo, phealings, la la la.

[walks away, humming to self]

Ofcourse Aeroman, and someone thinking along these lines must be mental as stated above huh?

My thinking is that to have it done once can be considered acceptable to me because you are supposed to learn from your mistakes, not repeat them.

I am ok with it being a one time thing, there are far too few single mothers out there as it is with no support from the father at all.

Rape, incest, medical reasons all valid reasons for getting one, but when someone gets one because they jjust don't want to have kids that is disgusting. There are consequences to your actions and education doesn't seem to be doing the job on passing that information on to our children.

Dave:

My thinking is that to have it done once can be considered acceptable to me because you are supposed to learn from your mistakes, not repeat them.

You call abortion disgusting, er I mean, the second abortion disgusting. Some call it murder.

Can I murder someone, and, learning from my mistake, not do it again and be not disgusting in your mind?

Go back and read my original response. It was not a result of poor reading, it was a rational response to a position that makes no sense at all. Arbitrary, disregarding other people's opinions, judgmental, as you proudly do. Disgusting indeed.

Epistomogy, my views on topics such as this are complex. There really is no simple answer to this at all.

Murder, and I do not call abortion murder, is a concious choice one makes, not a mistake. In self defense or in the defense of another, murder, is perfectly acceptable to me.

You mean to tell me, using the example off of the link that cfrost posted, that a woman who has had up to and over four abortions is acceptable? That is not acceptable and is an abuse of a womans right to choose.

How 'bout this? A woman can even plan to get pregnant, and then change her mind. Amazing, ain't it?

Women are no longer beholden to a biological imperaitive. Amazing, ain't it?

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You know what this "one abortion ok, two abortions bad" thing amounts to? Cheap sentiment. The entire anti-abortion movement is based on cheap sentiment.

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Killing someone in self defense, or in defense of the innocent, is NOT murder, by definition.

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"Abuse of a woman's right" (reproductive or otherwise?) How does one abuse one's "rights." It's either a right, or it's not. That's like saying that women are "abusing the right" to vote.

That is the beauty of these boards Mud, we will just have to agree to disagree.

You will never find my opinion on this acceptable, and my feelings towards your opinion is mutual.

Just so we're clear, Dave, a woman can plan to get pregnant, get pregnant, and then change her mind. And it's perfectly fine. She doesn't have to justify herself to you, Dave, or anybody else. She doesn't have to explain to you, Dave, how many times she's been pregnant, or thought she might be, but wasn't...etc.

Pregnancy and motherhood are not the same thing, but most people learn that in Health Class.

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