"Pro-life" e-Cards

Post-abortion greetings from the head Heather. She cares about you, really.

The above is one of the many online greetings available from The Pro-Life ECard center where you can "show your love and concern by sending a FREE e-card to a mother or father who has lost a baby to abortion."

Comments

[mudkitty]

State the obvious Dave. The reason that your opinion is scary is that you align yourself with the people who want to legislate women's reproductive rights into oblivion, whether you want to admit it or not.

You're an apologist for abortion, and that is plain wrong.

You, Dave, never even knew why I chose two abortions, (4 if you include the ectopics.) But you still went off spouting. That's typical of that side of thinking.

I would never consider you pro-choice, even if that's how you describe yourself. Pro-choice, up to the second abortion, is not pro-choice, just merely a-logical.

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But sure, Dave, this is The United States, and you're entitled to your opinion. That's what I meant by stating the obvious.

[Dave]

"Just so we're clear, Dave, a woman can plan to get pregnant, get pregnant, and then change her mind. And it's perfectly fine. She doesn't have to justify herself to you, Dave, or anybody else. She doesn't have to explain to you, Dave, how many times she's been pregnant, or thought she might be, but wasn't...etc."

And just so we are clear, I find that disgusting.

There are certain things I believe a woman can change her mind about: The placement of furniture, color of a room, etc...Pregnancy is not one of them!

[mudkitty]

And LB - young lady - let's all remember that, throughout most of history, there was no birth control for women, other than abortion. Those women existed - only at great risk.

Let us also remember, that at the time of the writing of the United States Constitution, abortion was legal.

[mudkitty]

Dig that...Dave is pulling the '50's thing where a woman is qualified to change her mind if it involves clothing, hair, or furniture.

Dave is a mole, folks.

[mudkitty]

A mole, vs a troll.

[mudkitty]

At this point Dave sticks his fingers in his ears and starts singing Lalala. Dave, who "brags" that he hasn't had a woman born into his family in, what, 250 years, feels qualified to have a opinion about the reproductive rights of millions of women. This is beyond classic.

[Dave]

Basicly, Mud, I simplified it to the most stupid of all arguements because that is what has been done to me here as well.

I might even, quite a stretch, be able to accept, a woman who has two abortions.

When it becomes a form of birth control it is unacceptable and it is disgusting.

[Dave]

"Dave, who "brags" that he hasn't had a woman born into his family in, what, 250 years, feels qualified to have a opinion about the reproductive rights of millions of women. This is beyond classic."

I am allowed to have an opinion on anything I want regardless of qualification. I served this nation to protect that right, so pull your head from your third point of contact.

P.S. I wasn't bragging just stating a fact.

[mudkitty]

No one said you weren't allowed to have, or express, an opinion, Dave. That's not, nor has it ever been the issue, so don't pretend that's what it is. It's just the fact that your opinion, Dave, is hypocritical, illogical, and therefore disgusting, and that's what's been highlighted here. Surely we're all allowed our opinion too? Or would that be too obvious?

The beauty is, Dave, your opinion is irrelevant, legally, morally, and logically. But you're entitled to it. You even entitled to express it. Because this is America.

[Dave]

morally irrelevant?

I think you have that backwards. I think you are Morally Bankrupt.

[mudkitty]

Notice, Dave, I said qualified to have an opinion, which you're clearly not, vs. "allowed." Big dif. And you called me stupid.

Imagine, someone who served in uniform, but thinks that people are "allowed" to have opinions.

[B-Money]

"And just so we are clear, I find that disgusting.

There are certain things I believe a woman can change her mind about: The placement of furniture, color of a room, etc...Pregnancy is not one of them!"

Dave, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. But just because you find it disgusting or wrong does not change one simple fact...YOU ARE NOT A WOMAN!!! You, me and all other males should have no say over a woman's choice to choose. It is tantamount to some religious fanatic telling you can't jerkoff anymore because that is against God because it is a waste of sperm. Would you abide by that? Would you appreciate someone else telling you that you cannot make a choice with your own body? I certainly would not. Fuck that shit! That is what I say about a woman't choice to choose as well. No one, especially men, should be able to tell women what to do with their body. Fuck that shit!

I too find the actual thought of what abortion is to be reprehensible. I think most people with tell you the same. But religios zealots, men, nor government should stick their nose in the choice of a woman and her body. Your body is the epitomy of privacy and to be technical, what a person does with their body is the epitomy of liberty, which we were guranteed under the Constitution...Life, Liberty, etc.

[Count Zero]

Dave: How stupid do you have to be to continue to post your obviously anti-choice "opinions" when nobody here cares about them? You've been blathering on for how many days now, and still haven't figured it out?

Mudkitty: I agree, however, he is both a troll and a mole. He's gone out of his way to sabotage discussion on the thread about the main topic, and said he's not "pro-life", though he takes on most of their ideology. He's even gone so far as to label what he thinks are acceptible choices for a women to make mistakes on, you know, the classic Paleolithic male: cooking, cleaning, color choices, etc.

[Dave]

I love it, I attempted to exit stage left by simply agreeing to disagree, but that is not enough for mud, he/she/it must keep raging. Related to GW are you?

Your statement on the "allowed" comment is what I did with the furniture statement - touche.

Totally off topic:

So let me ask you a question mud, where do you stand on "baby drop boxes"?

[mudkitty]

That's what rightwing moles do when they're outed...lash out in character assassination, knowing nothing, in this case, about me, other than I've had a total of 4 abortions, for reasons unknown to him; he who hasn't had a female born into his family for 250 years.

[Dave]

You are really stuck on that fact aren't you?

[B-Money]

It's a pretty asshole fact to put out there Dave, true or not. So people will attack it and continue to bring it up.

[Dave]

"It's a pretty asshole fact to put out there Dave, true or not. So people will attack it and continue to bring it up."

It is true B. Attack me, that is laughable, with what words on a screen.

Please tell me you do not get all worked up and angry over postings on a blog.

[mudkitty]

Stuck on a fact? Are you admitting it's a fact? Facts are indisputable - you do know that don't you?

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As for baby-drop boxes, I have no idea what you're talking about, unless it's some sort of overblown urban myth. Are you talking about forcing a woman to go through an entire pregnancy, forcing a woman to give birth, and then giving her the option to abandon the infant on the doorstep of a hospital/police station? (Baby boxes vs doorstep babys...listen to the incendiary language you're using. The old fashioned language isn't good enough for you.) That would be my GUESS as to what you mean by baby boxes. If this is what you're referring to, then may I say, you are a shining example of the unenlightened, whether you advocate for baby-boxes, or not. Do you know what the stats are on these incidents? Obviously not.

What's your point?

[B-Money]

Not at all. Occassionally I get frustrated by certain comments, or feel strongly about a position, but it does not affect my mood or my day.

A couple of things to remember, you have taken a contrary view to the majority here, hence you will be flamed, called a mole or troll, and told that you should not post comments that expouse an opinion against the majority. To all of that I say...Fuck that shit! The person not worthy of conversation on this board is Jill Bains. Continue to express your views, even when people disagree. Hell, I disagree with you on this one, but I won't tell you to shut up. And do not think you are a mole or a troll, just a guy putting his opinion out there.

[Dave]

Facts are indisputable, no shit really?

It is a fact.

As for the drop-boxes it was simply a question that is all

[Dave]

"Hell, I disagree with you on this one, but I won't tell you to shut up. And do not think you are a mole or a troll, just a guy putting his opinion out there"

And that you are the only one correct on.

I know I am in the minority here on a wide range of topics, but I do enjoy this place and will continue to post and express my opinion regardless of how everyone else feels about it.

I am not nor have I ever been an extremist when it came to this topic. I know the arguements and would hate to see the times rolled back to the days of back alley abortions that were so horribly dangerous and often deadly fr women. I also do not think it should be something that is so easy to acquire that a hospital or clinic might consider opening an express lane or drive thru for.

[mudkitty]

At least can you define a drop box? Was I correct in assuming what you meant? Then I can tell you what I think about them, since you did ask, after all.

[B-Money]

Here you go mudkitty:

http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/news/2006/01/69923

[Dave]

I am talking about the drop off points at area hospitals for new borns.