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May 09, 2008

McCain's spiritual guide wants war on Islam (video)

Brave New Films released a remarkable video of Ohio mega-church pastor and faith-healer Rod Parsley preaching about how the Founding Fathers intended America to fight the anti-Christ, demon-inspired religion of Islam. (I'm not making this up.) Interspersed with the Parsley segments is footage of Sen. John McCain effusively praising Parsley on stage at a campaign rally in Cincinatti. McCain introduces Parsley as "one of the truly great leaders in America, a moral compass, [and] a spiritual guide." The Republican presidential candidate thanks pastor Parsley for his leadership and his guidance.

And here's Pastor Parsley railing against the Supreme Court's legalization of "the perverted act of sodomy":


More words of wisdom from John McCain's moral compass Rod Parsley. (Check out the stuff about the prayer cloth and the love of money.)

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oh yum. Hagee is't the only poop he has stepped in.
I think in fairness we have to cut McCain slack on Hagee if we want to cut Obama slack on Wright [they are not apples and pineaples to be compared anyhow]

but where as McBush has publicly disavowed a bit of Hagee's most deranged positions [not even a pale imitation of Obama's dissociation from Wright's incidiary notions], this is McBush praising the kook. No doubt McSham will say he had no knowledge or approval of that splicing of his appearance with the other footage.

But there it is, he can't disavow the soundbite and he only gets in deeper if he insists its out of context.

yum

oh yum. Hagee is't the only poop he has stepped in.
I think in fairness we have to cut McCain slack on Hagee if we want to cut Obama slack on Wright [they are not apples and pineaples to be compared anyhow]

but where as McBush has publicly disavowed a bit of Hagee's most deranged positions [not even a pale imitation of Obama's dissociation from Wright's incidiary notions], this is McBush praising the kook. No doubt McSham will say he had no knowledge or approval of that splicing of his appearance with the other footage.

But there it is, he can't disavow the soundbite and he only gets in deeper if he insists its out of context.

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What are the odds FOXNews will run Pastor Parsley hoohah 24/7 for the next few months?

Odds that FOXNews will run Pastor Parsley hoohah 24/7 for the next few months: 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999 to 1.

C'mon, Phantom, back our war hero up. You know you should.

Jeez. I'm something of an Islamophobe myself, but this guy sounds like he belongs in a mental institution. I picture him riding on a subway, yelling about what god told him as he walks from car to car, possibly while rattling a dirty McDonald's cup filled with small change. Does anyone seriously believe that crap about the idea that the U.S. was founded with the idea of opposing Islam in mind? Anti-Catholicism has probably played a bigger role throughout most of U.S. history than Anti-Islam until the fairly recent past.

"...we are just about to see the greatest transfer of wealth out of the hand of the wicked into the hand of the just."

Seems to me what we're seeing is the transfer of wealth, like a mighty river, out of the hand of America and into the hands of China, Russia and various other oil-producing states around the world. Why does Rod Parsley believe God hates America?

US Treaty with Tripoli 1796:

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

Nuff said.

-Does anyone seriously believe that crap about the idea that the U.S. was founded with the idea of opposing Islam in mind?-

It wasn't, but one of young America's first enemies were the Barbary Pirates of north Africa, who captured American vessels and enslaved American crews.

When Jefferson and Adams attempted a peaceful resolution of the "conflict", they visited Trioli's ambassador to London in March 1785. When they inquired by what right the Barbary states preyed upon American shipping, enslaving both crews and passengers, America’s two foremost envoys were informed that “it was written in the Koran, that all Nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon whoever they could find and to make Slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.”

Look it up.

If any of you know the Marine Corps hymn, the reference to "the shores of Tripoli" refers to the US invasion of present day Libya to liberate American prisoners and crush the Moslem pirates / slavers.

You may say that the pirates weren't explicitly Muslim. Well, dig up the ambassador from Tripoli and tell him that.

--I think in fairness we have to cut McCain slack on Hagee if we want to cut Obama slack on Wright --

Especially since McCain went to Hagee's church for twenty years, and devoted of "Faith of My Fathers" to him. Oh, wait a minute, he didn't.

Fighting enemies who are nominally Muslims isn't the same as fighting Islam. Even if it were, specific conflicts in early America aren't the same as founding national principles.

Parsley could just as well argue that America was founded to fight pirates. Arrr!

"Fighting enemies who are nominally Muslims isn't the same as fighting Islam."

But that's precisely why we're also deadly enemies of all Lutherans, Catholics, Buddhists and Confucianists, followers of Shinto and whatever it was the Navajo believed in. Its always been understood that once a religion is drafted into the cause of nationalism or militarism, all of its followers are, from that point in history, fair game.

I'm assuming cass, your sarcasm button is on.

Does anyone seriously believe that crap about the idea that the U.S. was founded with the idea of opposing Islam in mind?

Yes, I think they do. Check out any number of right-wing books that purport to teach history---e.g. the "Politically Incorrect guides" to American History and the Supreme Court, "The Patriot's Guide to American History," etc. . . and you'll find any number of right-wing polemics full of nonsensical faux-logic that could choke an elephant. Generally they take factually correct statements about American history, and then interpret them in a way that no one with even the slightest modicum of critical thinking would be fooled by. But presumably the people who actually buy the books believe this crap.

Phantom's predictable use of the conflict with the Tripoli pirates to show that we've always been at war with Islam is typical. He is, of course, factually correct that the Barbary pirates are Muslim. But wait! What he doesn't tell you, is that also early in our history, we fought a war of revolution against the Christian English, a quasi-War against the Christian French, and then the war of 1812 against the Christian English. Later the northern states fought an attempted secession against the southern states, which were claiming a right to slavery based on Christian teachings in the Bible. That's right! The truth is, America has always been at war against Christianity!

(I won't mention the Mexican War and the Spanish-American War, since those were against Catholics, and as Hagee points out, Catholics are not Christian.)

The first sentence this pastor speaks is a lie (what follows is total nonsense). Christ is a recognized prophet within Islam, so how can it be a Anti-Christ religion?

I'm from Western-Europe and I can't imagine anyone saying these kind of things here about Islam this publicly as Parsley did as I've seen in this video. It is not allowed to offend a religion this way. Besides that it's not allowed, you probably be murdered soon after by the ones you offended.

Thanks for the upload Lindsay.

--It is not allowed to offend a religion this way. Besides that it's not allowed, you probably be murdered soon after by the ones you offended.--

Well, that is two bad things about Europe, isn't it?

And the fear of murder by fans of the "Religion of Peace" is quite real. Everyone remembers what happened to Theo van Gogh. Best be quiet!

--Christ is a recognized prophet within Islam, so how can it be a Anti-Christ religion?--
Because it downgrades Christ from the "son of God" to being "just another prophet". You sent him down to the minors, for Christs sake!!

Fuck them ragheads.

Stop, Phantom, you're killing me.

First, the "Shores of Tripoli"--that was nothing short of hilarious. Yeah, when you think about it, we have always been at war with Islam! And with Great Britain, too!

You're obviously not a dumb guy, Phantom; nor are you a religious zealot. Sometimes I read your stuff and I think "You know, we disagree about a hell of a lot, but he loves this city and so do I, and sure, I think we could have a beer and find a lot to talk about without getting into a stupid argument." And then you pull something like this. What on earth compelled you to defend Parsley's idiotic and deliberately inflammatory comments? Is there no argument too ridiculous for you to make when defending your stalwart, manly Republican heroes from those mean liberals?

Well, that is two bad things about Europe, isn't it?

Classic. Go ahead, tell me that when your hero RUDY! went after the Brooklyn Museum for "insulting" Catholics, you weren't right behind him.

The alleged theology of folks like Parsley is one of the reasons I abandoned my fundamentalist Protestant upbringing.

Episcopal Bishop John Shelby Spong has it right when he talks about these "televangelists." Turn on their shows, turn off the sound, and watch their facial expressions and body language. You will rarely see anything resembling the love of God.

Besides, how can you trust somebody named after the garnish?

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When Americans were kidnapped and enslaved without provocation, the ambassador of a then important country justified the kidnapping and enslaving by the Koran and Islam. Very explicitly so.

It does not justify what this Bible thumper said, but it is of interest, from an episode in history that few know.


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Yes, I remember when the imbecilic "art" --elephant shit on an oil painting of the Virgin Mary got Rudy into a rage.

Doesn't make him a bad guy.

Doesn't make the other guy much of an artist either.

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Have noticed for many years that those, esp from the left, have all kinds of criticism of the Catholic Church / Christianity ( or justify fecal "art" in the Brooklyn Museum ), things that are inflammatory in the extreme, but, those same people have never a post or a comment or a thought to ever, even once, criticize Islam in any way, ever.

Which is understandable, as you might not wish for the van Gogh treatment. Or its an "enemy of my enemy" thing.

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I'm buying.

Involve religion with politics and you’ll get a never-ending argument. People have different beliefs and religions so why should we assume that ours is superior then the rest? What is wrong is that some politicians use religion just to attract voters, which is wrong. They should use their practical ideas and tactics on how to improve their country to attract voters. What do church pastors and faith healers know about politics? It is best to let them do their own jobs and not to meddle in each other’s affairs.

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